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Lately I have seen some people cooling their cards and and processors with inline aquarium chillers.I was thinking of going a little colder myself.Is it possible to use them24/7 or is this just a bench mark only setup?

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Lately I have seen some people cooling their cards and and processors with inline aquarium chillers.I was thinking of going a little colder myself.Is it possible to use them24/7 or is this just a bench mark only setup?

it is possible to run 24/7 , I have.

I have on the lowest settings possible, while still able to maintained certain Temp , But the electric Cost is going to kill you after 2-3 months for 24/7.

it is possible to run 24/7 , I have.I have on the lowest settings possible, while still able to maintained certain Temp , But the electric Cost is going to kill you after 2-3 months for 24/7.

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Thanks for reply.I dont really leave my rig on 24/7 But I want to be able to game for several hours.Is that possible ?

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I thought i was cool idea at first, but after 6 months 24/7 . it get old and benchmark don't really do anything for me after awhile, especially seeing a extra $200+ dollars just for electric running that chiller. So I return back to aircooled and turn down the clock from 4.65GHz to 4.2GHz , and use the extra cash for my other toys. lol

My chiller would need run about 10-12 hours a day, just to keep the extra 400MHz ish. So I finally give up that chiller.

I have some other crazy idea, ( but my wife would probably kill me. ) Since I lived in a cold winter area, I was think running a complete Watercool system for all my systems ( i have 10 ) not counting my GPU to the outside of the house during winter at 0-10F temp

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yes it is possible, but you dont really need that extreme cooling for gaming.I thought i was cool idea at first, but after 6 months 24/7 . it get old and benchmark don't really do anything for me after awhile, especially seeing a extra $200+ dollars just for electric running that chiller. So I return back to aircooled and turn down the clock from 4.65GHz to 4.2GHz , and use the extra cash for my other toys. lolMy chiller would need run about 10-12 hours a day, just to keep the extra 400MHz ish. So I finally give up that chiller.I have some other crazy idea, ( but my wife would probably kill me. )Since I lived in a cold winter area, I was think running a complete Watercool system for all my systems ( i have 10 ) not counting my GPU to the outside of the house during winter at 0-10F temp

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Thanks again.Yea the benefits dont look that great for use all the time.Maybe I will just get one for benching and stick some quick disconnect fittings on.MY koolance cooler has them so I can unhook pc to clean so maybe that will work best for me.

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Just use a rad. You can get some rads that will give you some sweet deltas, and they wont burn through electricity (other than the fans).

An Aquarium chiller isnt going to work. It doesnt have enough cooling power, there made to keep the water 10c below ambient temps, and thats without a heat load on it. Not only will they not handle the load, there also expensive.Just use a rad. You can get some rads that will give you some sweet deltas, and they wont burn through electricity (other than the fans).

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If you can get a REFRIGERATION base aquarium chiller & not a water base one you will be fine!!!! 

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evedently somepeople do not know alot about aquarium chillers

I work for the smithsonian and we have a 500 gallon tank being kept at -1 degree celcius in a 95 degre(f) room with only a 2 hp chiller(salt water frezes at a lower temp than fresh)

we also have a 2hp chiller that removes the heat of 14 w metal halide bulbs plus several pumps(1.5 hp each)

 

   

 
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yes you can use a chiller ,but you have to select it properly.

first ,some are peltier based (Thermoelectric)and dont work well, use ALOT of electricity, and well...suck.

Second are refrigeration based units ,they cost ALOT  ($600+),use a medium amount of electricity and work REALLY well.

But you can build ,or purchase a dedicated Phasechange chiller for the same price and hit -30c ,so its really the best way to go.

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However, if most of the computer's heat were dumped via a series of regular radiators prior to the chiller, then the chiller would only deal with a lesser load, the wattage requirement to run the unit drops significantly.  Therefore, you can reduce your powerbill of running the chiller all the time by having more radiators removing heat prior to a cheaper chiller at the end of the loop upsteam of waterblocks.   This can also be done using a TEC/peltier waterblock to chill water as well, and in the same way, you won't need as high of a wattage module there either.  You know my links in sticky, water chiller is basically example 1.4b.

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An Aquarium chiller isnt going to work, as others noted the loads would be too high. Think about what a water chiller does, it pumps heat out of water, but if that water is already near ambient, then pumping heat out will drop temperatures below. This is why it works for aquariums, everyday heat plus whatever given off by the fish aren't very high loads.However, if most of the computer's heat were dumped via a series of regular radiators prior to the chiller, then the chiller would only deal with a lesser load, the wattage requirement to run the unit drops significantly. Therefore, you can reduce your powerbill of running the chiller all the time by having more radiators removing heat prior to a cheaper chiller at the end of the loop upsteam of waterblocks. This can also be done using a TEC/peltier waterblock to chill water as well, and in the same way, you won't need as high of a wattage module there either. You know my links in sticky, water chiller is basically example 1.4b.

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with a chilling unit running at anything below ambient temperatures radiators will actually ADD heat to the chiller loop.
(basic law of thermodynamics)

And again ,High end chillers WILL work very well.
Some are designed to chill multi Kilowatts of energy from HID lighting used in saltwater reef tanks.
They are just basic refrigeration condensing units ,with the addition of a flat plate or tube in shell heat exchangers .

But... those are very expensive .

At that price point a custom chiller is cheaper and will offer much lower temperatures..aquarium chillers typically are not designed to go below 0c.

A 1/3HP custom single stage chiller will easily cool a 300 watt load to -30c
I have 2 custom units I built sitting in my basement right now...

I'm not just pulling this info out of my *ss , I'm working towards my A.A.S  in Refrigeration and will be following that up with a Cert of Cryogenics .

Misconceptions corrected.
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No.with a chilling unit running at anything below ambient temperatures radiators will actually ADD heat to the chiller loop.(basic law of thermodynamics)And again ,High end chillers WILL work very well.Some are designed to chill multi Kilowatts of energy from HID lighting used in saltwater reef tanks.They are just basic refrigeration condensing units ,with the addition of a flat plate or tube in shell heat exchangers .But... those are very expensive .At that price point a custom chiller is cheaper and will offer much lower temperatures..aquarium chillers typically are not designed to go below 0c.A 1/3HP custom single stage chiller will easily cool a 300 watt load to -30cI have 2 custom units I built sitting in my basement right now...I'm not just pulling this info out of my *ss , I'm working towards my A.A.S in Refrigeration and will be following that up with a Cert of Cryogenics .Misconceptions corrected.End of rambling post

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No. with a chilling unit running at anything below ambient temperatures radiators will actually ADD heat to the chiller loop. (basic law of thermodynamics)

The only way radiators add heat to an otherwise subambient coolant is if the chiller was powerful enough to not need them to begin with.  The point I'm making is to use radiators as supplimental to take part of the load and let a lesser-power chiller take care of the rest.  The thermodymanics of this method is sound and I've already done the math; but for what it's worth, I never implied that the coolant aft of the chiller would be that far subambient to run the risk of radiators heating it back up.  The coolant definitely won't be as frigid as with a more powerful chiller, but certainly able to maintain very near ambient or slightly below at a fraction of the cost of running a more powerful chiller, which is vastly cooler than any regular LCS loop.  That's the point, to offer a bridge between two ends of thinking. 
 
I've already done this in-effect with a pair of HR-03's on my GTX260 and a 72W TEC, the result is the same idle/full load temps of a using a TEC on the order of 250W, except most of the heat is removed by the heatsink prior to reaching the heat pump so the TEC power doesn't have to be large.  The idea doesn't change with respect to using liquid cooling: more rads = less powerful chiller required as there isn't much load to remove to drops the temperatures.  Of course there is a limit to how much powerful you can get anyway as you've alluded, you don't want the coolant going into your rads after coming from the waterblocks (with the chiller upstream of them) to be less than ambient, then the rads aren't doing the job you want them to do.

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The only way radiators add heat to an otherwise subambient coolant is if the chiller was powerful enough to not need them to begin with. The point I'm making is to use radiators as supplimental to take part of the load and let a lesser-power chiller take care of the rest. The thermodymanics of this method is sound and I've already done the math; but for what it's worth, I never implied that the coolant aft of the chiller would be that far subambient to run the risk of radiators heating it back up. The coolant definitely won't be as frigid as with a more powerful chiller, but certainly able to maintain very near ambient or slightly below at a fraction of the cost of running a more powerful chiller, which is vastly cooler than any regular LCS loop. That's the point, to offer a bridge between two ends of thinking.I've already done this in-effect with a pair of HR-03's on my GTX260 and a 72W TEC, the result is the same idle/full load temps of a using a TEC on the order of 250W, except most of the heat is removed by the heatsink prior to reaching the heat pump so the TEC power doesn't have to be large. The idea doesn't change with respect to using liquid cooling: more rads = less powerful chiller required as there isn't much load to remove to drops the temperatures. Of course there is a limit to how much powerful you can get anyway as you've alluded, you don't want the coolant going into your rads after coming from the waterblocks (with the chiller upstream of them) to be less than ambient, then the rads aren't doing the job you want them to do.

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